“As I'm watching TV one day, I saw a cat food commercial, cat jumping on the table and knocking down things to get to the food. And I was with my boyfriend at the time, and I looked at him and I said, That's what I want to do.”

I think that it's important for people to then ask themselves, for whose benefit is this, especially when it has to do with going to the dog park, or going in the car to run errands, or playing with a particular toy.

He knows how to affect the outcome. He says, I know how to do this. I can do this one and and I know how this is going to come out, right? And I can make the decision about how I'm going to make this come out, so I can do this and know, Oh, guess what? Aren't I great, and you're going to be totally responsive to me. And I know that it's, it's completely clear in my head, right? I know exactly what's going to happen here, yeah. And so that's empowering, and that's actually even though the other is a very loving gesture for the dog that is a more loving gesture for the dog, that's an easier thing for them to understand. So if you have a dog that tunes you out, and then you because you talk, talk, talk, talk, or other, there are other ways that you can get it right, tune you out, and then you suddenly throw something at them, and they don't do it because they've learned to tune you out.